...so like this philosophy or not, one can't claim it isn't effective or has zero credibility,

{Sigh} As usual, you have misinterpreted what I said. I said that I gave people who subscribe to Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" zero credibility. This is the handbook for liberal progressive movement - JIC you don't already know this.

By the way, I did not get the rules that I posted from any wiki page. Wiki pages cannot be counted on to be accurate or even true.

Over and out. I have too much work to do to continue playing this game.