Alan,

> But that's where I'm having a problem. Running Christian's example, I can simply grap the title bar and dock the toolbar. As far as I can tell, there is nothing there that prevents docking unless the user simply refuses, for whatever reason, to use the title bar. But I see nothing here that disallows that.

Now I understand ... Christian's example was proof of concept to demonstrate the following possiblities - not a complete example with a toolbar stripped of its "chrome":

1. Ability to move toolbars using a child control vs. toolbar titlebar or margin, i.e. in otherwords, if we hid the toolbar's titlebar, border, and margin, could we still come up with a way for a user to move a toolbar? Christian's example proves we can.

2. Ability to prevent a toolbar from being docked by managing the toolbar's position via code vs. allowing a user to move a toolbar via the titlebar. Christian's example proves this is possible to.

Does that clear things up for you? Sorry about the confusion.

Malcolm