>Grandson #2 is taking his masters in computer science at Rutgers.
>He's way ahead of me but we talk a lot and I can keep up with most of what he tells me,
>So far, the language they're using is Java from the command line- no IDE.
>That makes zero sense to me but the computer science mavens seem to like it.

His mentor must have been among the authors of that famous paper about „Real programmers“.