>I didn't say I didn't do it visually - I just said I don't use the Form Designer... ;)
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>I use the Class Designer for all my work, storing my form classes in class libraries. The only thing I lose is easy drag-and-drop from the Data Environment to the form, but I write my DataEnvironments in .prg files and have code in the Load() event of my master Form base class to load and open my tables. I've found that a much more flexible and faster way to work. Additionally, I often do not use controls on a form that are directly linked to fields in a table, so I don't lose much as drag-and-drop goes, anyway.

Sorry, went brain-dead there for a while. I also use class designer for forms, mentally I was still thinking of that as another type of form and other controls designer.