Would this help?

FOR i=1 TO CNTBAR("_MTOOLS")
	? GETBAR('_MTOOLS', i)	
ENDFOR
* or
lnBarNum = 123
llExists = .T.
TRY
	= PRMBAR('_MTOOLS', lnBarNum)
CATCH
	llExists = .F.
ENDTRY 	

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>There was a stuped idiot, that forgot how to check a menu for a existing menu bar.
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>How do I determine if a menu bar I created already exist in a menu. I am tring to add a menu bar to the Tools menu bar, but do not want to duplicate or stomp on anybody else's definition.
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