>SNIP
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>>So it's up to IT workers to be creative and find ways to stop this. Not an easy task but doable.
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>Just how would you do it, Denis???
>You'd be surprised at how much grief a company will put up with if they believe that IN THE END they can get quality output from someone who costs 10% of what it costs here. Hell, they'll even go to the ends of the earth for 5%-10%!
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>When a company operates strictly based on the bottom line then "its" communities and its workers mean NOTHING! [In the end that also means that its customers mean nothing to them, because its workers, and workers dependent on them in communities, end up with no job and so no money to buy the products].
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>Now don't give me the argument of "good old yankee ingenuity" because that's now out the window. When everything was built here (the rich 'west') then of course it looked like "good old yankee ingenuity", but now the same "ingenuity" is applied to conceive/design/prove a product and then making it is shipped to China.
>The whole rich 'west' cannot all become inventors all of a sudden.
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>Saying that countering slave labour is "doable" is wishful thinking UNLESS you too want to be paid slave wages and live like slaves do. There is no other way, and that should be clear to anyone who thinks about the problem for more than 30 seconds.
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>"cheers"

Ok I'll give you an empty phrase for a starter.

"Where there's a will there's a way."

Perhaps I chose the wrong career. I should've been a jovialist ;-)

I know Jim that to resolve this would be higly complex but I really think that it could be done with enough support. I can't do it alone neither can you.

But with enough persons acting on it there must be a way.