>The fact is, VFP is part of VS..and we need to quit whining about what we don't have and start using things that are there.

Well said. Anyone ever hear of Open Insight 2.0? I doubt if very many will raise their hands :-) The associated multi-valued link-hashed RDBMS was a pure joy in DOS but it had birthing problems in the GUI environment. It was still-born. Mostly because of negative reactions by the developer community. If the developer community diss's the product what is John Q Public going to do? I used to own an Apple store and one thing stood out for sure - sell what you have, not what you don't have.