>... they'd probably laugh you out of their office...
Among many examples you can start to look at
http://www.defensesystemsgroup.com/jfast.htm or
http://www.jfast.org/jfast/html/Abstract.htmI think that users and authorities of JFast didn't laugh.
As a matter of fact Abstract.htm mentions only VFP and C.
BTW what's wrong to install something not included to the OS later on. Just like office, Exhange server, SQL etc. especially made by the OS maker with full support?
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