>>If something as wonderful as creation not "Just Happen" how could something even more wonderful and with the ability to bring it all about "Just Happen?" In other words, "Who created God?"
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>Okay, let's just say, for the moment, that there is no God. I'll assume not a hard thing for you to do. :-) If the creation is not performed by God, then just pick any other source for creation. Go ahead, pick anything. :-) The fact is, you would still have to have the same question about that source (where did it come from?). For example, say Entity X performed or Phenomenon Y caused creation. You still will wonder where Entity X or Phenomenon Y came from. You can do that backwards in time ad nauseum and still be asking the same question about each previous source. So, you almost have to come to a conclusion that only something with God-like qualities (ie, eternal, omnipotent) must ultimately be the source. That, or you conclude that it was "just always there." Whether you place your faith in Entity X, Phenomenon Y, their predecessors, or whether you say it was "just always there" at some point you are putting your faith in something that doesn't follow logic.


I find the concept of infinity easy to explain as "goes on forever" but impossible to comprehend. I can't imagine a universe that goes on literally forever, but I also can't imagine what's on the other side of the boundry that doesn't exist but has to be there because I can't imagine things with no boundries.

I have the same problem comprehending things that have no beginning. There has to be a starting point but what was the starting point of what existed before there was a starting point.....etc....etc....etc.

You're absolutely right. I do not know how this all started. Every time I think about it I go around and around in circles until I accept the fact that it just "is" and I'll never know how it came to be. I reach the point where, in the immortal words of Mathew Harrison Brady, "I do not think about the things I do not think about."

We're just at different points in the cycle as to where we stop thinking about it. Since I can't understand it, I no longer try to understand creation. You accept God as creator and don't think about what created the creator.

Even if I could accept that this was willed into existence by some being whose nature I cannot understand (and if I understand a different poster's view correctly - if I could understand it, it wouldn't be worth worshipping), I completely reject Howard's view of an egotistical maniac who created us just to worship him, finds the death of millions of his creations for no discernible reason to be glorious, and consigns to hell any who don't accept him.