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10/07/2005 03:35:30
 
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Divers
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01028993
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>>If something as wonderful as creation not "Just Happen" how could something even more wonderful and with the ability to bring it all about "Just Happen?" In other words, "Who created God?"
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>Okay, let's just say, for the moment, that there is no God. I'll assume not a hard thing for you to do. :-) If the creation is not performed by God, then just pick any other source for creation. Go ahead, pick anything. :-) The fact is, you would still have to have the same question about that source (where did it come from?). For example, say Entity X performed or Phenomenon Y caused creation. You still will wonder where Entity X or Phenomenon Y came from. You can do that backwards in time ad nauseum and still be asking the same question about each previous source. So, you almost have to come to a conclusion that only something with God-like qualities (ie, eternal, omnipotent) must ultimately be the source. That, or you conclude that it was "just always there." Whether you place your faith in Entity X, Phenomenon Y, their predecessors, or whether you say it was "just always there" at some point you are putting your faith in something that doesn't follow logic.

Del, your challenge above cuts both ways. The basic idea is that the scientist cannot answer the question "where it all come from", where did the big bang come from, etc. The religious person "answers" it with God. However, this does not answer anything really because it begs the question where did God come from. Back to square one. In the case of the scientist he leaves the question open/unanswerable at this time. In the case of the religious person they close the question with an answer that cannot be understood.

There is a Eastern story about a monk being questioned about what holds the earth up. "Why, it rests on the back of a great Elephant of course" said the monk. "I see", said the novice, "but then what holds the elephant up?". "Well, it stands on the back of a giant turtle". "So, then what holds the turtle up?". The monk replied "I see you are trying to trick me, but the answer is simple - it's turtles all the way down!"

Disclaimer: My own religious/philosophical views are not expressed above :)
In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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