>Personally, I think people who claim there is no god have reached that conclusion so they can have no rules.

If that was the case, there would be no secular law. Most coutries on earth use secular law. A few like Iran use religous law. Care to take the Pepsi challenge on which is more barbaric?

> If there is no God, then who can say what is right or wrong?

Logic. Reason. You know, iffy things like that.

> Hedonism rules the day for those.

Geez, I must be missing out then.