>>People like Howard, who feel the need to shove religion down others throats.
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>That's not really fair John. Much as I disagree with Howard, and I mean disagree with a capital 'D' and boldface 'isagree', He didn't start the debate. He's really just been responding to questions and statements made by others.

Right. And he honestly displays the Christian arrogance, the absolute belief that their dogma is perfect, flawless and applies to everybody for life (i.e. anti-choice as in "you belong to us, it's just that you don't know it yet"). He's convinced me that he really believes what he says - which doesn't make it true in my eyes. I've known some people who could force themselves to believe any "truth" they just invented; he's too consistent to be of that kind, of course.

Having no other choice but to spend my days in such talk would be close to my idea of a life that's good for avoiding. Presently, I'm doing it because it's interesting, the dispute is dignified and gentlepersonly, and I can't really do much work with my airconditioning dead. Should be fixed by Friday, so bear with me a few more days.