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>>We haven't lost any rights. One thing the Patriot act has done it to allow the CIA and FBI and other agencies to work with each other. They are still required to get court orders for wire taps. Liberals just want to yell whenever they think law enforcement is given more power to protect our country. I am not worried about the effects of the patriot act on us, and I view the government with suspicion, because I am one of them. As Ronald Reagan said, "the government is not your friend." However, I don't think this act is necessarily a bad one.
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>What about the right to due process? If they can enter your home without a warrant, take you away and plunk you somewhere incommunicado forever without having to charge you with anything, where is due process?
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Forever is a long time. I haven't seen anyone denied due process. Maybe the Gitmo bunch, but they aren't US citizens so that's a different can of worms.

>Or are you saying that due process was never a right held by the American people, so it hasn't been lost?
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Nope, I'm saying everyone gets due process.

>Do you think that court orders for wire taps is an untouchable item? I'd have thought the right to a lawyer and a fair trial would have been untouchable too, but apparently not.

I don't understand your statement. Court orders are issued as a check and balance. Law enforcement can't just do whatever they want.