Hello Bonnie, just thought I'd bring you up to date with lv saga, I tried the code you suggested but received an error ( not verbatim ) stating "Cannot cast Listview.Subitem to type int", I then tried this code which works

    ListViewItem item = this.lvClaims.SelectedItems[0];
    int paydetailsid = Convert.ToInt32(item.SubItems[10].Text);
    int payaddressid = Convert.ToInt32(item.SubItems[11].Text);

thanks for putting me on the right track, is there a way of casting the sender parameter to retrieve the same info ?