>OK, this will open a new side discussion Alex but your statement:
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>>This is an example of totally bogus conclusions from no statistical research whatsoever. What you are describing as cause and effect has nothing to do with religion but it does with lack of parenting and the gun culture of the US.<
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>Begs me to ask you then what is parenting that leads to good behavior? Is it raising your kids with a knowledge of Good and Evil? Is it training your kids to respect other people? Is it teaching them the basics of descent human behavior? Is it showing them that all life is precious? Are these things that you would say are ingredients to parenting and may be absent today and root causes of a lot of problems. If the answer is yes, then all I can say is these values are passed down from person to person and learned from somewhere. Could it be that a person's religious beliefs are what makes them a good parent in your eye's because they are being taught core values of their religion. Take God out of school's and maybe, in some cases you damage the system. You can ask for all the statistics you want, so you can safely draw your conclusions, but I truly believe that American Society (as I do not live anywhere else) is going down hill fast with the distruction of the basic family
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Agreed in that the society is going downhill. It does not have to do with religion but with eroding moral values.
Moral values are basic tenets of living in a civilized society. You can be moral with or without religion. You get moral values from your parents and grand parents, from your teachers and if you are religious from your priest, rabbi or imam.

This does not preclude parents from teaching hate (e.g. racism) or the imam from teaching to kill the infidel to get your reward in heaven.