I agree but the only restriction that MS could apply is that we won't be part of the "official beta" for customer support. We have a project starting to and some of new features(jpeg, framework) could be helpful now. September 2nd is a long time to get my hands on it :) Steve U> I agree! I think we should all start sending an email to rgreen@microsoft.com asking them to make the Devcon beta available for the cost of shipping.