Jay,

>I'm glad you responded, Tracy. Walter has always had a hard spot in his heart for JVP. I don't think Microsoft is "admitting" anything. It's more of a logical evolution. Plus, there is a difference between deep data integration and a local data engine like Foxpro uses.

Ehh, did you read JohnK's statements in regards of motivating VFP-ers to go to .NET ? Do you have any idea how hard KenL and YAG have worked to let the VS.NET team the see significants of data ? Do you have any idea what the LINQ project is trying to achieve?

Did you read the .NET articles literally naming VFP as a language with deep data integration? Granted there might be a difference in how deep data integration is going to end up in .NET and how it is implemented in VFPs local database engine, but that is not the point. Deep data integration is an important point that was obviously missing in .NET (again an admitted fact admitted by MS (KenL I believe)). There are many documents regarding this subject out there just stating this simple fact. Just go and read the links posted here on the UT regarding this topic and learn. The future of .NET is data integration, not just data connectivity.

Data is the important word for the next VS.NET version after VS.NET 2005.

But you're right, I've always had an argument or two with him ever since I met him for the first time on the forum. I've proven him wrong several times on numerous subjects and his obvious persistence in beeing a VB and later a .NET prophet saving us from the falling inferiour VFP was no exception to that either. Data integration *IS* important and is one of the strength of VFP over .NET, yet he refused to acknowledge that. Besides his doubtfull tactics, beeing absolutely blunt, and always tried to himuliate people who disagreed, he was more often wrong than right despite the persons who supported and respected them for knowing him personally or the status of MVP he had at some time. I could easily turn round the argument arround. JVP clearly had an axe to grind with me, because from the beginning I proved him wrong on several occasions. JVPs attitude: I can't be wrong, I'm an MVP, Lets see your cards ?? I proved him wrong on the subject of the DELETED() tag, the neccesity of having an mouseenter and mouseleave events on object, the inferiourity of RDO, ADO, etc, and in the end I've proven the point of the importance of data integration in .NET. I've seen him make a lot of statement he had to take back because they were proven unfounded (e.g. by KenL). He made stupid statements like 'VB6 is a better language to build C/S applications. He tried people to look into VB5 and VB6 because VFP would die soon (ehhh, we know how that ended), He hijacked whole threats to stirr up the whole VFP is dead discussion over and over again. He was thrown out of this forum twice and some other VFP related sites as well. I challenged him in numerous occasions to do a programming contest. Me in VFP and he in VB or VB.NET but he would not dare to take the contest. Programming examples were more than once dismissed as algoritm insignificance.

I recieved unwanted unfriendly private emails from him, and from the reactions here on the forum I was not the only one. The only constructive thing I see he ever has done for the VFP community was writing a few articles, none of one impressed me. What do I have to do with ADO in VFP? Sure there might be exceptional cases where you might want to use this, but certainly nothing for the mainstream VFP programmer.

To give him credit, according to some here on the forum he was a nice person in real life and has teached VFP to some of us, and apparantly was patient to anyone with questions. But this is not what I have experienced on the UT. Because everyone knows what happens when you disagree with JVP.

Walter,