Yes Craig, I know that,if you looked at version 1.0 you'd probably do the same The way I look at it VJ6 lets me mix VFP and Java, and have good integration with ActiveX and window OTOH - it keeps my options open for non-WINTEL platforms, it is yet another OO language,with syntax that is somewhere between C and VFP -relatively easy to learn For me are good enough reasons, to work with VJ Arnon > >I guess you didn't hear about VJ at TechEd. In the opening keynote, it was asked "How many use java". Many hands went up. Then they asked "How many use VJ". One hand. One in 10,000.