I've seen 2 things today that explain why the goal of respectable folks should be to explain to the world that yes, there is a minority of a group called evangelicals in the US who are no different from fundamentalists in the Middle East. They want to take the world back to the 16th century.

But the important part is that they are a minority. A CBS poll released today shows all approval numbers down, except from the evangelicals.

I intend on reading an article on evangelicals in this months Vanity Fair. A quick perusal shows that it explains beliefs that are so strong in them that they ignore every other facet of live.

Of course these strong beliefs are based on religious beliefs (i.e. life in heaven). Not based on anything you or I would consider a guiding force in our lives.

>>>>Who's there? Why are they there? What's the purpose of the facility?
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>>>Do you really think any possible answer to these questions would justify any of it?
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>>Justify it in my mind or yours? I can think of several situations that I would say justify that sort of operation -but - what does that prove? I'm not saying I am in favor or against the facility - just saying - let's wait and see what develops before making any determinations.
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>One thing is quite wrong here already, see below what I mean.
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>>>Assume Argentina had a secret detention/concentration/whatever camp in Uganda. What would be your reaction?
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>>>Replace Argentina and Uganda with any other two countries. What would be your reaction?
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>>Again - depends on the situation and specifics. It's really hard (and not really profitable) to make that sort of decision based on nothing more than our imaginations...
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>>How can you be against it without knowing much about it? Is it the secrecy? Is it that we're in another country? Is it a perceived lack of due justice?
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>It is the, IMO, completely outrageous idea that one country can have prisoners in another country.
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>I don't know how would it be different in any situation or under any circumstances. If USA having prisoners (and therefore a prison, guards etc) in Egypt or elsewhere is OK, then I figure it's equally OK if Pakistan had a prison in Island, or Russia had a prison in Canada, or if Japan had a prison in Greece.
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>Imagine yourself going to a vacation in Panama, there being kidnapped by secret service of Malaysia and being moved into and then kept in a secret prison in Luxembourg, and nobody would know where you are. And you wouldn't want anyone to talk of your case until more is known.