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>>>Again assumptions are being made of the goings-on. How is it different? No reports of people getting "eliminated" in prisons.
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>>Being that the proceedings there are secret, it stands to reason that there are no reports about anything at all.
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>Ah but the concern is that prisoners are being abused, not killed. You're taking my example and turning that against me, no fair. Having said that, (and no such prior reports) no it does not stand to reason.
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>>>Well I can't argue with that last sentence.. but:
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>>>You focus on the treatment, I focus on the purpose. Perhaps it's because you have not been the target of terrorism? And I'm not saying the ends justify the means, but we have to worry about those ends.
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>>If the means we use are no different than the means they use, then how are we better than they are? Why would the US administration want to write the ban on abuse law to exempt the CIA if 'American Values' are supposedly always in play in the treatment of prisoners?
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>This is what you don't seem to want to see: I'm not talking about values here, I'm talking about lives. My point is not about who's morally better, but who's lives are being protected. If you want to protest about the means fine, but to me that is not at the top of the priority list. Again I'm not saying that is not important, but as a dweller it is not as important as preventing more attacks. And again, it has not been determined that abuses are the norm.

When a government can grab anyone it wants off the street and spirit him/her away into a secret camp where anything can happen, and that person simply no longer has any rights under the laws that used to define a democratic society, it is no longer operating a democracy as we know it. So what exactly are they protecting? Certainly not 'the American way' of life. This is no different than the way the Gestapo or the KGB operated. This is the America you want? I'm stunned.

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>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/24/AR2005102402051.html
>>http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20051025-085239-4576r