>I guess you didn't hear about VJ at TechEd. In the opening keynote, it was asked "How many use java". Many hands went up. Then they asked "How many use VJ". One hand. One in 10,000.

That's interesting. According to MS VJ++ website, over 50% of Java developers use VJ++. I wonder if MS is inflating the numbers, and if so, if they inflate other product's numbers. I read last year that MS estimated VB to be in use by over 3 million developers. Didn't say if that included VBA and VBScript, but MS did say that VB is used by over 50% of developers that design non-mainframe applications (if memory serves me well).