>>As an example, I have a label with a value of "Length of time in this position", Font:Arial Narrow - 8 point - I make the width to be 18480, but if I open the form in Designer it gets changed to 12291.667

>Look:
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>thisform.TextWidth(cText)
>thisform.TextHeight(cText)
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The only thing to watch at when using the .TextWidth() is that it assumes the font properties of the form, not the control. But then, it's quite simple to set thisform.fontWhatever=this.fontWhatever. And most of the time nobody touches the ugly Arial, anyway. I'm writing this just because I noticed that the originator of this thread mentions Arial Narrow.