>>But look at it this way; using a shovel gave a parent the time needed to disarm the kid. If he'd had a gun... It's not about outlawing everything that might be used as a weapon, but if a tool is such an effective weapon that there is almost no possible window of escape for a victim, then I say "regulate the hell out of it".
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>Guns are not as effective as you think, especially in the commission of a crime. Even at close range, unless it is in the hand of someone with good firearms training, the chance of missing the target is pretty good. What you see happen on television is nowhere near reality.
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>John, do you have some stats on this?
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>I don't know if there are any public gun ranges in your area but you should go try it some time.

I'm sure there are stats out there, but I don't have any. I do know that during my training, we have always been told your proficiency declines by 70% in a gunfight. So, it you shoot 100's, you are a 30% shooter. Of course, another factor is that most gunfights take place within 10 yards or less and I don't aim, I point shoot, which is a tactical combat form of shooting. I trained with the swat team and learned it at the Mid South Survival Shooting Institute back in the 80s. They train seals, sas, etc. etc.