>Sure those are all cases that have to be examined, but if two men were fighting with guns and you want to end the fight what do you do ?

Stay the hell out of the way, that's what I'd do. But are we talking about a homeowner defending himself, a police officer firing in the line of duty, or what? Gun fights are rare, much rarer than television would have you believe.

>No matter what you are going to say, you can't tell me that guns improve security.

I can for a fact tell you they do. I have seen, with my own eyes, an incident where having a firearm stopped a crime from happening. And, if I had been alert on another occasion, could have stopped one myself.

>The gun lobby is taking the easy route, by just blaming anything else, but the guns. A rather hypocritical stance, or better, a commercial stance. The weapon lobby will do anything to cause confusion and tell you in all ways: it is not the gun. Not because they are right, but just they have an awfull lot to lose.

Define for me please the "gun lobby". The NRA? I'm the NRA - a life member, in fact. I pay them to defend my rights as a gun owner.