I use DE objects which I currently store in PRG files (moving to VCXs now) there are added benefiets like the ability to sub-class the DE itself I also created a tool for VFP5 that extracts the DE from a visually designed one Arnon > >I thought it might be interesting to get some feedback on the following. > >I believe that the DataEnvironment is too closely tied to Forms/Reports. What I'd like to see is an independent DE that could be manipulated without the need for either a Form or Report. It would especially helpful in developing forms that would be more re-usable than they are now. > >Thoughts? Opinions?