>>>>>>>>>If the Palestinians disarmed, there would be peace -- for Israel. The Palestinians would still be stateless and would still be subject to Israel putting up walls, invading settlements with tanks, etc. (Which are certainly taken as belligerent acts by the Palestinians).
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>>>>>>>>As I said in another message, whose fault is it that they're stateless? Not Israel's. As for walls and tanks and all that, it's all been reaction to terrorism (whether you think it's the right reaction or not). Read the history of the area since WWII and see if you really think that Israel is generally belligerent.
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>>>>>>>>Tamar
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>>>>>>>If a person doesn't want to see the truth, he would not see it.
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>>>>>>>I concur with everything you said.
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>>>>>>I am not avoiding the truth. I see it as I see it, and I do not come to it with a particular POV. As you do, and Tamar does, and Peter does -- and I AM NOT saying that judgmentally. I am looking at it through the eyes of a U.S. citizen with no known anti-Semitism who thinks Israel has caused the U.S. a whole lot of trouble. That's all.
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>>>>>>I realize there is a difference when one is part of a group that has been discriminated against. I am fortunate enough not to have been.
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>>>>>I don't think you're representing the point of view of a typical American here. But if you do, then it's too bad.
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>>>>What do you mean by that? That Americans should be extensions of Israeli interests and policy? If so, I disagree vehemently. They've got their country, we've got ours. It's not our job to prop them up and by so doing cause ourselves trouble in an entire region of the world.
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>>>Mike, you haven't replied to the post where I criticized you for using the word 'belligerent'. I MUST say that using this word really was one statement too much! You, of course, have the full right to come forward with arguments that are not so pleasant for your opponents. But calling Israel BELLIGERENT is really ridiculous. The word anti-semite comes to mind, but you strongly think of yourself as not being anti-semite, so I'll respect that. But you do show very much indifference for the fate of the jewish people. Too much indifference.
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>>So it looks to me that you wish him to show BIAS for Israel rather than the indifference you calculate as too much. Right now he shows too much BIAS against Israel.
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>Did you find the weak spot in my reaoning here? Someone who shows indifference indeed will not use the word belligerent. That's what came to my mind later. I must admit that I had a hard time searching for the good and just words. And I think I failed the test.
>It's a tentative feeling and the language barrier. The tentative feeling is that he's not a typical anti-semite, but nevertheless may be under the influence of arguments brought to our attention by anti-semites.


Why, gosh, thank you, Father Peter. It's nice to know that, tentatively at least, I am not a typical anti-Semite.