O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers


Both paragraphs above are from the English translation of the Quran. No translation is considered the Quran because it was dictated in Arabic and only the Arabic can be the Quran. You may want to read the book, Islam: A Threat or a Challenge. The author also wrote Islam Revealed.

The majority of the Quran is about peace and the laws to abide by. It includes numerous statements on forgiveness. There are many many contradictions (just as in the Bible).



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>>>Just because America is powerfull and the terrorists want to convert the world to an muslim state? Sure >that is what the american government wants you to believe, but it would be ignorant to actually believe >that.
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>>Agreed that U.S. foreign policy is responsible for the world's ill opinion of our country. That needs to change now. I fear that it will never be a positive opinion again though because it is a catch22. When you are wealthy, everyone wants you to give their money to them and support their cause. If you do not, then you are greedy and many feel a just punishment is death. The opposite side of course wants to destroy you for taking sides (not theirs).
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>>Having written that, your statement above is wrong. It is indeed the goal of every believing muslim to transform all societies into a functionally Islamic community governed in accordance with Allah, the Almighty.
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>I have trouble believing that at all. I know quite a few muslim and I never have felt it that way, not do I accept to believe that the 1st generation of muslim who came here to work had that intention also.
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>In our country the muslim involved in terroristic activities is a very, very small group, often young man that are caught between two cultures and are easy victims for terroristic groups. We have somewhere between 1 and 2 million muslims in our country (on a population of 16 million). If it would be the case as you describe above, we would notice a lot more trouble than we currently do. I also seem to remember from a former message that you do have a muslim community as well, not striving for a muslim world, but a peacefull integration of different cultures.
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>>It is meant to form societies that are committed to the Islamic way of thinking. It is not written like christian guidelines to spread the word of Jesus, but to actually transform the societies and governments around the world. George Bush has stated publicly that terrorist want to destroy our way of life, and in that, he is absolutely correct.
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>Yes he is right. But the terrorists are not representative for the whole muslim world. Or do you want to say otherwise ??
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>>They recite that goal themselves on a regular basis so it cannot be denied. No, that is not the only reason for 9/11 but it really is the goal of terrorists. It is naive to deny it.
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>The thing is that terrorsim is fed by the opinion of Joe average. Terrorism would disappear if you can weed out the roots of the problem, rather than the leaves. This is exactly the point that the US regulary misses. It tries to fight the consequences rather than the roots. The roots in case often is poverty, misunderstanding and feeling beeing treated unfair. The fact is that the palestinian were removed from what they feel their country. They also see that the place they used to live (isreal) now is relatively wealthy (compared to the entire region). Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking sides here, but these are the facts and these facts are easily bended into hate without have to have a lot of imagination. That it comes down to a thousands years old war between jews and arabs is easily overlooked.
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>>One thing I learnt from reading the Qur'an is that it is filled with many contridictions (just like the Bible). There are rules for war and fighting which contracdict each other. Also living in peace and not interfering with religion and worship of non-believers is contradicted.
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>I have been told and correct me if I'm wrong, that even the Qur'an is saying that a man may not kill another man. And that despite the terrorism, it is advocating peace rather than war.
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>Walter,