Jeff,

Thanks for your post. You've provided some meaningful information that I can definitely use in my decision making process.

And yes, the VPME total enchilada costs around $3400 (VPM, xCASE, xCASE2VPM, PROSYSPLUS tools, VisualRep) without VisualRep, which seems to be the reporting tool of choice for those folks! I noticed that right away since I'm spending my client's money and they will want justification coming out the ying-yang! Tough sell, but I'll do it if I REALLY believe the tools will do the trick.

Mike and Toni have always treated me very well even though I don't think they even know who I am. That says something for them as people. They don't have a demo version, so I'm going to download a package they did for one of their customers and take a peek at the look and feel. The demo would be better, but I'll see what I find with what is available.

Anyway, thanks again and much success to you in the web development world. Using dotNET?



>I think VPME is a great framework. I have the latest version although I haven't been using it. VPM was a major help in my beginning to grasp OOP concepts, in the older versions. It also came with everything and the kitchen sink. They have revamped the framework and it has some really nice features. But it is pricey and they went to subscription model. I do web development and it just doesn't enter into my world very much anymore, although I stay in touch with some of the folks and lurk in the newsgroup.
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>I think VFE is very cool as well. Mike and Toni Feltman are close friends of mine (I host their website), and their's is a great community and the folks that develop with VFE are very loyal as well. The learning curve was too much for me at the time as they went the fully OOP route and I was not developing in VFP enough to justify the learning curve. I have since played with the tutorial for the latest version, and it is very well thought out. More of an MVC architecture.
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>One thing to be aware of (my opinion) is that VPME is presented as more of a platform than a VFP framework. They kind of have their own culture, and have their own toolset and don't worry too much about integration with other Fox 3rd party tools. You are encouraged to eat the whole enchilada to reap the benefits of the environment. It's not a bad thing, just something to be aware of.
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>Again, I am much more a lurker than an active developer in these environments nowadays, so other folks here may have more relevant opinions than I have, but I hope this helps nontheless.
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>Jeff
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>>Hi Jeff,
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>>Sounds great! How did you find VPM to work with? Easy or did you have a learning curve to deal with?
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>>And, VREP sounds like a winner. I have the demo and will be putting it through it's paces as well.
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>>Thanks alot for your input. I appreciate it.
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>>>Hi Scott,
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>>>I don't do very much VFP work anymore, but I have a couple VPM projects still out there that use VREP, and the clients love it. I have found it way easier to use and support than FoxFire!, although I haven't looked at that product sine the 6.0 days.
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>>>I also use VREP as a standalone Enterprise reporting tool against MS SQL databases, and it works great in that capacity as well.
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>>>HTH,
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>>>Jeff
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