>Sure, sort of like the way places such as "The Bagel Stop", or "Druxies" (don't know if they're in the U.S.) call their buns 'bagels' just because they have a hole in the middle.

Yeah, I refer to any of those as "a roll with a hole"; no relationship to a bagel except the hole. For bagels, you have to boil before baking.

Tamar