Unions in the U.S. are part of the most corrupt systems in the states. It is one of the reasons why they are disappearing.


>I have to disagree. Without the socialism of the unions, I don't think it would ever have happened barring another revolution. Of course, I guess what the unions managed, really was a sort of revolution. When the government and the army are controlled by an elite, change is unlikely unless the people literally rise up as they did through the unions.
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>Having said that, I think it's time for the unions to rethink themselves. Gimme, gimme, gimme, and holding everybody hostage is not endearing them to anybody these days.
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>>But better working conditions were developed under capitalism (granted in a democracy) - granted it was due to unions! Many have stated that better working conditions would have evolved without unions simply due to the will of the people in a democracy. Advocating a clean, safe working environment and against child labor does not advocate socialism.
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>>>But Tracy, isn't that contrary to the whole concept of capitalism? Every one for him/herself and keep the government out of our faces? What have good working conditions to do with 'capitalism'?
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>>>What you're advocating is called socialism.
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>>>I think there might be some confusion in terms. Democracy and capitalism are not the same thing.
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>>>>The conditions in factories owned by corporations may be terrible (and most are worse than terrible), those conditions exist everywhere in China in low-income areas and jobs. It is up to China to set the standards for working conditions in that country. If China had standards set then all corporations would have to abide by them. I think all countries should be pressuring China to enforce employment work condition standards.
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>>>>>>>Historically speaking, it may have been the best if the world gave communism a chance to compete, and fail or succeed on its own merits. Instead, as soon as WWI ended, there was a joint effor to conquer the fledgling USSR, which 1) failed, 2) gave them siege mentality for decades to come, and 3) helped prop the militaristic, authoritarian and utterly tyrannic Joseph Dzhugashvili (self-nicknamed Stalin after steel). Had this capitalism's fear of an idea not resulted in an outright war, we may have seen a healthy competition between the systems in terms of human rights, levels of democracy, technology etc, instead of armament race. Seventy years wasted.
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>>>>>>Communism was tried right here in the US. When Jamestown was founded, it was basically a commune and the people almost died until they decided to give everyone their own plots of land so they could do as they wished (see capitalism). The rest is history, as they say.
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>>>>>>Communism has never worked. It is inherently flawed at any level beyond theory.
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>>>>>But Communism is a societal theory whereas capitalism is strictly a financial mechanism.
>>>>>China is apparently attempting to mix both. I've been expecting it to result in revolution, but it may just be that they have strict enough control to let it work for them
>>>>>"The Party" in China has 68,000,000 members, which is less than 5% of the population and of course it is Party members who reap all the benefits from their current economic 'style'.
>>>>>I can't tell you how deeply it bothers me that we, through our corporations, are actively promoting their exploitation of their citizens.