I don't disagree with anything you say. I just wish the Abu Ghraib investigations, as skimpy as they were, were bold enough to place blame a little further up the ladder than the lower echelon soldiers who were caught in the act. The systematic whitewash was an almost complete success, with the exception of one general who I am sure you noticed was female.


>You are right Metin. Abuse or torture in one location does not condone it someplace else. I never intended to imply that. Nothing condones abuse and torture.
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>The difference is not that American children throwing bombs would make a difference. The difference is that American children are not throwing bombs daily in a war zone and Amreican suicide bombers are not driving through checkpoints here in a war zone, and Americans here in the U.S. are not detonating roadside bombs. It is not that the people are not American or the children are not American children; it is because it is a war zone and the soldiers are under fire everyday.
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>I really think that the abuse in prisons and during interrogations is almost nil today. I say that because of the punishments highly publicized those found guilty received for the 2003 incident and also the House and Senate bill that seriously restricts interrogation and treatment under U.S. law which did not exist before. They are now afraid to do anything other than talk the prisoner to death.
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>http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r109:1:./temp/~r109Bk8Tdo:e911694:
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>(a) In General.--No individual in the custody or under the physical control of the United States Government, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.
> (b) Construction.--Nothing in this section shall be construed to impose any geographical limitation on the applicability of the prohibition against cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment under this section.
> (c) Limitation on Supersedure.--The provisions of this section shall not be superseded, except by a provision of law enacted after the date of the enactment of this Act which specifically repeals, modifies, or supersedes the provisions of this section.
> (d) Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment Defined.--In this section, the term ``cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment'' means the cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, as defined in the United States Reservations, Declarations and Understandings to the United Nations Convention Against Torture and Other Forms of Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment done at New York, December 10, 1984.
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>>Hi Tracy,
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>>I see you nervous. :)
>>But I know you are so polite...
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>>Are we in a country race?
>>I never said Turkish military didn't do some bad things. I don't try reject bad things even about my country.
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>>Turkish police and military forces might did some bad things;
>>Are these make USA's soldiers doings good?
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>>>Innocent people are shot when soldiers panic in the middle of fire fights and are being shot at and one child throws a bomb and ten others throw rocks - the soldier cannot tell who is what age and who is throwing what. If you have served in the military you know this yourself. You do your best
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>>All Turkish men have to do military service in Turkey. Of course I did too.
>>Please say me;
>>If anyone throws a bomb in USA is your polices shooting everywhere in panic? I'm sure your answer will -No-. Because they are your children and so polices will be carefull. Soldiers in Iraq don't give Iraq people worthy.