Right about learning the patterns and all that, worthy pursuit.
Do you think you will look at Stratframe, it would be interesting to
see what you think/

Mike
>Hello Michael,
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>Not a problem. No offense taken. It sounds like you're saying MM.Net was difficult to follow when you first looked at it. If that's indeed what you meant when you said you found MM.Net "obscure," I've heard this before. MM.Net certainly can be overwhelming at times to new users, especially those not familiar with abstracted OOP design patterns. In those situations, it's just as you said, a subjective call.
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>Personally, I looked at it as a challenge to learn those patterns and other design philosophies, and why/how they were employed. True, though, that not everyone sees it that way, nor should they necessarily (RAD and Extreme programming concepts come to mind).
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>I guess the true talent of a framework designer would be to still use those patterns while "hiding" as much complexity from users as possible... all the time still making them visible enough to those who need to use them in a more advanced form. Now, say that 5 times fast!
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>Thanks for your response.
>---J
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>>Jason:
>>Not dissing MM.Net here, I haven't looked at it in awhile. But sign up for the Strataframe online demo, and take a look at their approach, I think you will be impressed. My only reservations about it at this point is that its still in its infancy, it has a small user base, and its priced above its competitors (especially when you add the database deployment product).
>>However I've been thinking about that mysterious element that makes a frameworks attractive to me. I keep going back to a statement by Daniel Ingalls one of the writers of Smalltalk:
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>>Personal Mastery: If a system is to serve the creative spirit, it must be entirely comprehensible to a single individual.
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>>When I looked at Strataframe it was 'comprehensible', a truly subjective non-scientific analysis, whereas MM.Net seemed still obscure (at the point that I was looking at it). I got that same feeling from Codemine.
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>>Mike