>Are you saying that VJ++ is VB-like now? I licensed VJ++ 1.0 to learn about Java but found it too hard - a NEW development environment that's not graphical doesn't seem to make sense to me - so I closed off and stuck with VFP. if you are asking if VJ got a graphical IDE and visual tools like VFP and VB - the answer is yes, it is not in the same level as VFP's though >That's why VFP people should take at least a passing interest in Java. When you see how fast VJ++ has gained the features VB has and has bypassed VFP in proper participation in VS, you have to ask what is so special about VJ++ that allows it to do that when VFP apparently can't. The reason VJ get so much attention from MS- is becuase Java poses a threat to MS. keeping Java developers building solutions for Windows is very important to MS Arnon