>Hello Jos
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>>>Where is those almost perfect people that karma talks about? I don't know anyone!
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>>What perfect people are you on about? One primary reason that the church rejects the concept of karma is that it negates the need for a savior, or even an interventionist God.
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>karma (the spiritism one).. basicaly talks: A perfection that a spirit follow during many lifes of his existence.. So, on this logic someday that spirit will became perfect.. This is my question.. Where is those perfect people (or even the closest one of this perfection) ?

Karma has nothing to do with spirits, perfection, or subjective concepts of good and bad.