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>>Another thing that makes me distrust religion is that they claim "no religion - no rules", implying a monopoly on morality, further implying that faithless people are immoral.
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>who stops you to go to the next bank of your city and "takes" some milion over there..

Security guards, lack of experience, face and stature that are easy to recognize :).

But the real reason I don't do it is it's not what I done any honest work for. Not that I think a bank has any morals, but any damage made to a bank would ultimately come out of the pocket of some honest people (among others :), who have done nothing to me.

>Fear? Moral Concepts?

There's fear, but that's covered under "lack of experience". I don't know how to steal without getting caught, and am not willing to learn either.

And there's the moral concept of people being entitled to enjoy the fruit of their labor. I expect everyone to respect that right in me, and in return I respect that right in everyone else.

>People that you love? ..Maybe a little of all that choices.. Right? But, taking off all the moral concepcts.. Who told you that? On that country they want to kill a man that don't accept Alah as God ? Are they right? Wrong?

Might gives right - they're just a religion with power in their hands. Last time that I remember Christianity had such power, we had inquisition. Or we had virgins sacrificed, or Christians forced to convert into a different brand of Christianity at knifepoint. Might gives right, but doesn't make it fair, not at all.

The source of this wrongness is, IMO, in any connection between faith, which is entirely personal, and social institutions. Once that divide is breached, anything is possible, and will make impossible things proclaimed as right.

>From our perspective completely wrong.. But, for who follow Islam.. No problem.. Jew/Cristian people, are enimies and Alah says that they must kill enemies.. So, no problem at all..

So did Christianity destroy a number of other religions/cultures/nations. How many tribes have vanished under conquistadors and later? And how many priests were taking part in the operation? And how many of them did refuse to take part?

>I'm not talking about a life of a guy (as Dragan).. I'm talking about the concepts of morality.. All (or almost all) comes from the bible's orientation..

Are you trying to tell me that the five millenia of Egyptian, Phoenician, Persian, Greek and Roman cultures (not to mention India and China and innumerable lost cultures of the times) haven't been able to come up with some basic ideas of morality, so they had to be invented during the writing of this particular book? Or did they just get incorporated in it as a part of general people's lore?

Do you seriously claim that they "come from" it?

>So, here is my point..
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>Excuse me, but nothing to do with a special life of Dragan.. Nice guy, good people..

Ooops, sounded like you postulated a general rule that could be broken by an example to the opposite. Sorry, I was using logic again.

>>Christian, right? Then we can't talk about sex. It's dirty in Christianity.
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>hey.. one more time I have to unbuild some wrong concepts of christianity here..
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>"Religion" are the oposity of "Cristianity"..

Though I'm not a biblical author, seems to me I also need an interpretation here: I use term "religion" to denote any system of beliefs.

>The second one, creates only the full knowledge on how needed we are, how tiny and all that we have to do is cry for help.. Not matter how dutty have you been our acts, how unfaithfull or unmoralyst is our lifes..

I can't say I'm interested in these fine distinctions.

>The problem reside on what the human kind does with the sex.. Gotit?

And I blame a lot of that on Christianity, with its restrictions. Of course, now your first reply would be to depict the awful world a removal of these restrictions would cause - and I'd agree with you, though from completely different reasons. People raised in judeo-christian culture wouldn't know what to do without them; they're conditioned to react that way, by their overall upbringing. The proof for that is how the sexual revolution from the sixties gradually lost its humanitarian aspects - of respect for the partner, of exclusion of violence etc - and turned into free market for pornography, which is (in most cases) just another form of exploitation, or even slavery.