>>There is obviosely severe frustration fueling such outbreak of 'roses'
>>that you dumped out here, that makes it pointless replying in detail,
>>but I am not sure that is pointed in right direction.
>>
>>Now that I read this message, I realised that I hv to apoligise to John Harvey for calling some of his statements on this issue 'ugly' :)
>
>But it's alright to call HIM ugly! :-)

If YOU say so :))