LOL. So you think that continuing to ask questions to people you don't trust will eventually do what again? I seem to recall some adage about repetitive behavior and insanity.

I come to this conclusion: Nothing is going to change foreign policy wise until Bush is gone or something dramatically bad happens. And Bush ain't going anywhere for at least another couple years. Something dramatically bad could happen I suppose... but again, the chances of it happening before 1/2009 when Bush leaves office are slim.

Chances are even slimmer we're suddenly going to get completely trustworthy, unassailable data. And even if we did, would anyone recognize it or believe it?


>For the record, Jason, I truly hope Iraq and Afghanistan do get to enjoy freedom and democracy.
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>But at this point it's difficult indeed to envision when we can't get anything approaching the truth from our leaders and our media.
>Right now it looks like we are fed some fantasy of best-case interpretations of **some** of the things that are going on in those two places. Worse, it looks like our leaders are setting their policies based on those same factors.
>What we're being repeatedly told is not jivving with the state of affairs and the rate of progress.