>Whoa....Talk about drinking the whole bottle of poison or whatever you've drank to actually say and believe your own comments.
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>This will be my last post to you, as you obviously have a 180 degree different view of the world then I do. At minimum, you are willing to swallow whatever the politicians throw your way, as evidenced by your comments of spreading democracy throughout the world. You sound like Fox news, regurgitating the administration talking points for the day.

If you are 180 degrees from spreading democracy then I am happy to disagree with you.

I also have stated a number of items that I disagree with this admin about. Is there anything you can admit to agreeing with?

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>You talk about alllllllllll these other countries that support us in the war. Have you seen the comment from the UK govt official calling for the US to shut down Guantanimo? Tony Blair was taken aback by this.

Here it is once again. The security of the United States will not be dictated by foreign countries. Regardless of who is president.

>But have you also heard that the UK parliment is calling for his resignation. They are close to having enough support for their version of impeachment and kick Blair out. What is going to happen if his replacement is not a supporter and the UK removes their troops?

They are a free country and have the right to oust their politicians as they see fit.

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>The economy of the US is not going gangbusters for all. Those at the top are doing extremely well. While the size of the middle class is shrinking as many fall out of that classification into the lower ranks.

This is absolute tripe.
The unemployment rate is at 4.7%.
Saleries are rising across the board.
Home ownership is near record high
The stock market is near its record high
- This of course benifits the 70% of Americans which are invested through mutual funds, 401ks, pensions, etc...

This economy has overcome 2 wars, Katrina and Rita and is still booming.
If you're not benifetting from this economy you're not trying!

>And you really believe our current govt will expend even 20% of the effort spent in Iraq in Africa?

No I don't and I never suggested they would or should. I said that they have been doing things diplomatically. That is what you want isn't it?

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>The one process the current administration is excellent at is speaking to their core supporters. You. They know the buzzwords you need to hear to keep you part of the 31% supporters they still have.

Not a core supporter. I have never campaigned for nor given money to a single politician in my life. Nor do I ever plan to.

You keep sighting that 31% like it means anything. He already won 2 terms. What is your obsession? Do you feel validated because people are disapproving of Bush in higher numbers?

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>There is no good news to report from Iraq.
There is a lot of good news from Iraq. You simply choose to ignore it and only see the bad.

>You ignored my comment about our occupation there acting as a recruiting tool for the insurgency and you claimed that was false. Even though many who've been to Iraq, echo those comments about the growth of the insurgency on their return.

Which is it? Did I ignore it or claim it was false? Hint: #2 (and I also provided new stories from Iraq that show the insurgency is dying not gaining)

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>With all that is going on with our govt lying to us, doesn't it make you think that if they've been caught in so many lies, what else are they lying to us about?

The gov't will always lie to us regardless of who's in power.

Tell you what. Keep reading Kos and listening to Air America (lord knows they need every single pair of ears they can get) for your news. Never see anything good in Iraq. Keep hoping for Bush's poll numbers to drop to feel better. Keep telling yourself that the economy isn't doing well and make sure you stay away from investing (you wouldn't want to make money and feel guilty). Basically, just keep frothing mad and yelling about Bush's lies. Keep those blinders on so that in January 2007 when the Dems have blown it you wont see it. You can always keep yourself warm in the knowledge that you are so much smarter than the rest of us.

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>>This is getting long so i'll try to edit it down a bit. If you feel I've cut something important, then bring it back up and I'll respond.
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>>>>The US is intervening in Africa. Obviously not with 100K troops, but there are diplomatic pressures being excerted. Especially since Clooney started mentioning Darfur.
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>>>Or maybe no oil - no interest.
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>>Oil is definately THE reason for the US's interest in the middle east. Anyone denying this is a liar or a fool. Until another vast energy supply is found/developed this will be the case. Personally I would've preferred that the US started building nuclear plants hand over fist 30 years ago and spent vast taxpayer money on developing better batteries for cars. Maybe we'd be off oil. Unfortunately that hasn't happened so we're stuck sucking from the middle eastern teet.
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>>I also believe that freedom is a cause worth pursuing for the world. Through diplomacy, revolution and war if necessary. This world will be much better off once all its people are free.
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>>>>There is no way to get the UN to agree unanimously on anything.
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>>>>The security of the United States, nor any other country for that matter, shall be dictated by the UN. The UN has proven itself to be as corrupt an institution as has ever existed.
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>>>This is mean consumer propaganda par excellance.
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>>The proof is in the news.
>>Oil-for-food
>>Iran as member of non-proliferation
>>Syria as member of human rights
>>Aid workers exploiting child sex slaves in Africa
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>>>Of course you will not get World/UN to agree because it is simply wrong.
>>>So what do you do, when you know that you will be not able to pass something trough regular procedure?
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>>The UN made the resolutions which were violated. They then refused to enforce them. The US got 60+ countries to agree. The resolution wasn't going to pass specifically because of certain countries.
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>>Lets examine them shall we...
>>France, Russia, Germany : Back door stealing through the oil for food program
>>In addition France was owed somewhere in the neighborhood of 40bil from Iraq and they were afraid they would get paid back.
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>>Did I mention that 60+ countries agreed with the US?
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>>>Then you disqualify oponent organisation by placing cheap accusations and making people believe into it. This passes easy, then you simply excersize all your arrogance and do what ever you are pleased.
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>>These are not cheap accusations. This is a multi-billion dollar fraud ignored by the very countries which were not enforcing resolutions against a Saddam because they have back door dealings with him. The santions had no chance to work becuase Saddam was never affected.
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>>In case you missed it there were 60+ countries that joined the US.
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>>>Try to understand that what happened was completely unjustified. You hv 9/11
>>>and US forces ride Afganistan who is 'harbouring' filty rich SAUDI citisen that was SAID to be behind 9/11.
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>>Are you trying to suggest that Al Qaeda was not behind 911? If so then I will write you off as a crackpot right now.
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>>>Then you Attack Iraq SAID to hv WMD.
>>>Proofs, facts?
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>>The best intelligence (around the world I might add) determined that Saddam had WMD. Britain, France, Germany, Russia, US Congress, Bill Clinton, John Kerry and Saddam's own generals thought he had WMD. I have already provided various links to this.
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>>>Do you actually believe that 9/11 was organised/coordinated from Afgan caves, using trained birds as a messangers?
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>>No. There is proof that it was coordinated from various locations around the world, including, Germany, Prague, Afganistan, Saudi Arabia, Canada and America. Again I hope you're not suggesting that Al Qaeda was not behind it.
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>>>Meny of alledged attackers were Saudis as well and most of the money
>>>used to support their 'networks' is actually Saudi Oil money.
>>>Sharia-Democracy is flourishing in Saudi Arabia but somehow this does not bother anybody in the White house. They are dear friends with them left and right. Strange isn't it ?
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>>I agree that Saudi Arabia is a mess. Should we invade? Let's get a UN resolution. You'd be on board, right?
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>>>>>now/future burdain on economy & tax payers
>>>>The economy is booming
>>>So does my hair. ( Don't you see my long long hair ? )
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>>I don't profess to know how the economy of Cyprus is doing, but over here the economy is through the roof.
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>>>When I was teenager/student growing in Ex communist Yugoslavia, meny of us tought of America as place florishing freedom, democracy, human rights, progressive ideas, top science, art ,R&R music and what else not. It was like distant dream.
>>>Well, right now I wld not send my kid to grow/study and shape up there, nor wld I seek any future there.
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>>Lord knows America has its flaws, yet lets not be overly-dramatic. America is the single biggest exporter of freedom in the world. America is still producing top musicians, artists, scientists and programmers ;).
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>>>My impression is that America went of it's axe, on dangerous cycle/path of populist, nationalistic, radical politics that will eventually shake up whole world.
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>>I hope America shakes up the whole world, for the better. I hope the world decides that freedom is a cause worth pursuing for all and not just certain countries. The pressure that the free countries could exert on the despotic regimes of the world if they were united in cause, would probably be enough to free the world. If being the opporative word.
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>>>It kind of reminds me of Milosevic style build-up of national forces for virtual higher national goals . We all whitnessed what happened,
>>>but Milosevic was only Balkan figure. But if America take this path then
>>>God help us all.
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>>Milosevic was looking to expand. The US is looking to expand freedom. Big difference.
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>>>I just hope that rational mind will prevail in America and thing will go back to normal again.
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>>I hope that Iraq becomes a flourishing democracy.
>>I hope that the mullahs of Iran are overthrown from within.
>>I hope that the people of N. Korea find a way out of the hell they are in.
>>I hope that the Palestinians eventually select leaders that will honestly work towards a peaceful cohabitation with Israel.
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>>Frankly I hope that the world embraces freedom and democracy.
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>>Thus far rational minds have been prevailing in America. Irrational minds are suggesting that we pull out of Iraq immediately.
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>>>>There is no doubt that companies will profit. You seem to think of this as a bad thing. I have no problem with it.
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>>>No I don't hv problem with profit. But if you fabricate/export instability, attack another country in order to bust defence economy sector and shake up world Oil supply / prices, then yes I do.
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>>If anything the US is trying to stabalize the world oil price. Democracy will help this. Think long term.