Terry,

>Come on Walter. To be fair, Jay said "Turkey sucks" - not the Turkish "race". Like he said, Metin's always having a pop at "The Great Whore" (cf America Sucks); Jay doesn't accuse him of being racist against the "race" of Americans.

I realize I'd better had used "Discrimination" because this is not about race, but about generalisation of certain groups. In this case, people who live in turkey.

I'm not saying I agree with metin though, but this figthing fire with fire here seems childish to me.

Walter,


>See, that's where "the East" differs from the West. If the West says anything then we're "crusading" (like in the middle ages) or being racist, and we're touchy about ourselves, and PC policing each other. Now Metin's on the cusp of east and west, where Europe meets Asia. Where's the racism?
>
>>Walter, you're still as much an ass as ever. Racism? After all the posts you and I have shared back and forth and you accuse me of racism? My whole point - and any reasonably intelligent person who reads this forum would know this - was to draw attention to all Metin's attacks on the US. But I guess if it was all about the Netherlands, you would just sit back and relax, never say anthing? Sorry, I know better.
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>>>Jay,
>>>
>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4535476.stm
>>>
>>>The first mistake peope make is that there is no such thing as freedom of speech. Just go out and shout "Kill all blacks". Freedom of speech is a relative to the culture you live in.
>>>
>>>We do not accept racism, so we cannot publish rasist propaganda.
>>>In holland we can be jailed when deniying the holocaust.
>>>
>>>In other countries they might not have such rules, but other rules like:
>>>- You cannot insult mohammed
>>>- You cannot critisize your leaders.
>>>
>>>And might I suggest to be a bit more carefull in choosing your title? It smells like rasism...
>>>I've visited turkey once and a lot of friends and family did on multiple occasions, and can tell in many respects it is a beatifull country.
>>>
>>>Walter,