>>Yep, most of the time..... We have a '74 trauma, but eased the pain in '88
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>And a '78 trauma, to be played again next Wednesday. :)

Well, the '78 trauma is not as bad as the '74. Anyways many feel that the dutch team was the best soccer team of the '70. They lost the WC twice because of the significant disadvantage of playing against a team that had the advantage of playing in their homeland.

I've not set my hopes that high. The dutch team played awfull the last game. I think argentina is superiour to our team at present. OTOH, Van Basten is a very clever coach, we'll see if he can pull an ace out of his sleeve ....

Walter,