>Oh sorry. You being an immigrant, I hope I didn't confuse you with english sayings. I've been in a class all day...ate tooo much for lunch, etc. So I wasn't thinking clearly enough to get the venacular correct.

Actually, I am well acquainted with both phrases, and their meanings. It was just that I was expecting the other one :).

>However, I've never thought of it that way....women becoming empowered does seem to coincide with the erosion of life in the USA as defined by some. I wonder if howie's wife is required to stay at home barefoot and pregnant all the time.

Frankly, I'm so used to my own family being a direct democracy, that I can't imagine having a family organized as a hierarchy, or worse.