>>I guess you missed the part about Christ dying for me as well...while I wasn't around at the time, I believe His death was for me and for those like me who make up the church. It doesn't really matter when the church started - guess I don't really see the point of the question.
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>>>Help me here. I do not know what Church they refer to in that passage. Maybe he was a member of a Church unknown to me. I always understood he was Jewish, died without repenting, converting or contrived to create a new church in his life. I may be wrong on this one, if so please site a historical reference, (not a circular reference, i.e. the Bible itself), or maybe that passage you quoted is simply wrong.
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>>I believe the church can also be called "The Body of Christ." It's not a building. It's not just a local gathering of people. It's made up of those past, present and future who trust in the work of Christ as their salvation.
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>I did not miss you sentence. Ok. He died for you. Fine.
>Maybe we are not speaking plain English here. I did not ask if he died for you or why (for yopur sins, etc.). I understand that part. Are you saying that he did not die for an organization called the Church? Then that is not plain English. Church is not a building in this sense but a religious organization, which did not exist at the time and was created decades later by other people.
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>When he died, it was because he ran afoul of the law of the occupying colonial government of the time and place.
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>That passsage says nothing but what what seems obviously a historical non-fact. Try again. Or is that passage simply wrong? You see, you cannot spend your life talking in allegorical form. The Bible, at some point has to have an explanation that makes sense and is factual. That particular passage does not seem to be it.

I'm saying that the church DID exist at that time - since the church is made up of those who place their trust in Christ, there were many who had already done that prior to His death.