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>>Since that very day the Palestinians, and Arabs generally, had an axe to grind.
>>Israel's policy of more than 'an eye for an eye...' has been practised since that day.
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>>In those 58 years the Palestinians have been so grossly denigrated/emasculated that they have lost all hope of ever living like normal human beings. It is that condition that Israel's 58 years of sanctioned terrorism has reaped.
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>The problem with these two paragraphs is that the Arab nations surrounding Israel attacked the very day Israel became a nation. What was their excuse then?

I guess it's reasonable to assume that they didn't agree with the partitioning and took a shot at reversing it as soon as it became fact. I don't find that unusual given the place and times. Israel nearly doubled its territory with its victory and I've not heard anyone talk of going back to pre 1948 war boundaries but that did result in 'unplanned' displacements of Palestians.
Here's a partial list of "activities" of 1 of the four major Jewish "freedom fighter" groups, and only for the 1930s. I note bombs in cafes, hospital yards, marketplaces, beaches, buses, theatres.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks_during_the_1930s

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>Also, why is it Israel who has denigrated and emasculated theses people? What about the Arab leaders who told them to leave their homes (where they could have become Israeli citizens) in 1948, and allowed them to live in refugees camps all these years. In the same time, Israel has absorbed a couple of million people, many coming from real poverty, and integrated them into society. Why haven't Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and the other surrounding countries done the same?

Well there are different objectives in operation for the two groups. The Arabic countries did hold out the promise of getting the displaced folks back on their own lands. Israel, on the other hand, needed to grow its population for defensive and growth/economic purposes.
No one can condone how the Arab countries made false promises to the Palestinians and deliberately kept them out of the mainstream on that basis.
But Israel opted to continue similar treatment after the 6-days war. And added brutal retributions for terrorist acts to the mix. Israeli law doesn't apply in the occupied territories, so they have been doing unusual things that you and I can't even contemplate.

My point is a simple one - that brand of treatment has led to the election of Hamas by the oppressed group. To you and me that makes no sense, but somehow it made sense to them. My conclusion is that they were far more desperate than is imaginable.
My other point is a simple one - it's going to end by either annihilation of the Palestinians or peace talks with the Palestinians. That desperate people proclaim they want the annihilation of Israel is not good reason not to talk. It's obvious that it's only bluster and ain't never going to happen. Mediated talks without pre-conditions has not been tried. It's obviously worth a shot.


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>Tamar