>so you mean to say you've been programming for a couple of years now, eh? :-)
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>one thing i discovered i like with the empty class vs. line is that when i'm debugging and trying to see the values in the watch window, i don't have to scroll through all the properties of the "empty" class to get to the only ones to me that matter (which i have to do with "line"). with the emtpy class, everything i want is right there and there's nothing else.

Yes it's. I'll keep this in my reply box to post you some 'cool' code that makes use of scatter and empty later today hopefully:)
Cetin