>>BTW, the abrhramov scandal is big enough IMO.
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>I would say that this is a much bigger issue than the Abramoff one:
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>Roots of Pakistan Atomic Scandal Traced to Europe

LOL, Khan was an atomic spy, and of course you're talking about a very old case that has its roots in the 70's. You'll find more of such cases where companies deliver goods to 'bad'guy countries. This problem became more appearant in the 90-ties.

With all respect I don't think it is a much bigger issue than the abramoff case.

>Plus, we are at least willing to bring out into the open and deal with our scandals. It would appear that Europeans don't, or won't:

LOL, that is a cheap trick.

>Europe's Dirty Secret

The scandals came out didn't they? political scandals and corruptions happen everywhere. There is no denial. It is about the rate of scandals and seriousness. Italy always had the name. And as for the politcal funding scandals happened in French and Germany.... well look at your own government. It is almost legalized there.

The article is written in a selfdefence style, saying: 'You see corruption also rules politics in europe!! and it is ever worse up there', distracting from their own problems. The article does not give a healthy picture of corruption up here.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781359.html


From wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_United_States
Some would allege that funding practices commonplace in the United States would likely be considered political corruption elsewhere.

In all seriousness. If I compare the amount of news about political scandals and corruption with the ones comming out of europe (relative to the total number of politicians), the balance does not look nice.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/86More.htm
http://www.transparency.org/content/download/4823/28524/file/Part%202_8_countries%20M_Z.pdf

And I'd love to see a more up to date reports of the following:
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/8Comparison.htm

Walter,