>>Not even the people of the UK. And the U.S. gave some small countries $$$ to declare 'support' for that war.
>>But I do think that virtually all of the world supported the war with Afghanistan once the government there refused to have Bin Laden turned over to the U.S.
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>>I don't think that war solves anything, yet I supported it in the case of Afghanistan.
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>I am quiet surprised to hear that.
>I find it way out of proportion. OBL group could hv been catched way easier, by persistent/dedicated hunters, silently and far away from publicity, then by sending entire vilage to foxhunt in the middle of the day, based on assumption that (who else but) fox is to blame for missing chicken.
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>They did not catch him at the end, they don't hv democracy there
>and it seem that they are gonna stay there longer then Soviets,
>ripping the same benefits/accomplishments.

I supported (past tense) that war. I have real trouble with it now, based on actions/revelations by the U.S. government.
But, in the cases of BOTH the Afghanistan war and the Iraq war, I do believe that U.S. and U.K. troops (specifically, and not necessarily *any* other country's troops) HAVE TO STAY THERE UNTIL THERE IS PEACE AND SECURITY FOR THE PEOPLE OF THOSE COUNTRIES **AND** THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE IS RETURNED TO AT LEAST PRE-WAR STATUS.
I don't care if "democracy" is established there or not - mainly because the U.S., Canada, the U.K. and many other countries have shown complete disregard for "democracy" when it doesn't go their way (i.e. Palestine).
I don't care if Iraq (or Afghanistan, for that matter) becomes a puppet of Iran.

I realized too late that we (the 'west') were being primed by the media for war with Afghanistan and that I fell for it. While there were definitely other ways to get Bin Laden, we were also frequently reminded that the Taliban was evil. We saw lots of women in burkhas, some women being killed in stadiums, schools with no girls in them, destruction of ancient religious (others') by them, etc etc etc. I had no problem with getting the Taliban out of power after all that propaganda did its work in my head.

I think too that the U.S. (and the U.K. to a lesser extent) are in for a very long engagement in both countries. Especially in Afgahnistan, where there is little but poppies to make an "economy" with. Iraq's oil **may** let the people get some of the $$$ from it, perhaps placating them sufficiently to let order be re-established.