Hi Mike.

>Ok, I tried assigning the caption in a custom method of the form. By that time, the containers' Inits are complete correct? Still a no go :(

It seems that, as Barbara suggested, VFP doesn't calculate the final height or position of objects until the form is activated. This is also true with anchoring and resizing: it doesn't work well if you do things in Init.

This is why I implemented that GDI+ measurement class; you can call it from anywhere.

Doug