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I enjoyed the way he writes (easy read) even though the is dealing with a almost religious topic he has a very simple but understandable way of explaining his arguments:)

I hope more of the UT see's this post because the ideas expressed there should make us all feel good because of our chosen platform... (I always new it) "And, although I will likely gather some serious heat for saying this, Visual FoxPro may have some of the most interesting "best of both worlds" mojo in the entire language space on this subject."

jp



>The VFP team has been VERY instrumental in creating LINQ and Ted knows his stuff really, really well.
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>>I was surfing for more info about c# 3.0 and LINQ and maybe this was already talked about. but there was an interesting BLOG entry at the following site
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>>October 16,2006
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>>http://blogs.tedneward.com/
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>>OK, but where can I go to get more info about O/R-M so I don't fall into the quagmire?" Excellent question. Roy Osherove has started a community site about O/R-Ms, which I think holds promise for discussion on the topic. The JDO crowd had several resources available at JDOCentral, and there's lots of discussion about O/R-M (stretching back several years) on TheServerSide. BEA, with its acquisition of Solarmetric, now owns one of the better O/R-M tools on the market, Kodo, and they're likely to still have numerous white papers and such on the subject.
>>"OK, but where can I go to get more info about object persistence tools?" Right now, the only one I have any faith in is the db4o project; in fact, I'm speaking at their first user/developer conference in London in a few weeks. I've used others (such as Versant) in the past, and frankly, wasn't incredibly impressed.
>>"OK, but where can I go to get more info about these other languages/approaches?" Keep your eye on LINQ, for starters, as that's one of the first mainstream attempts to bring some of these ideas into traditional statically-typed object platforms. Scala and F# I already mentioned. Ruby is another place to spend some time, as there's a lot of features Ruby has that are trying to make their way into other languages. And, although I will likely gather some serious heat for saying this, Visual FoxPro may have some of the most interesting "best of both worlds" mojo in the entire language space on this subject.
>>"Great post!" Thanks.
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>>I felt this was important as the M$ people are starting to get the inate value of VFP's data handling + language... I think we will see more of this as teh "Dynamic Languages" ruby, python start to move into better data handling. I never liked the whole ORM / object persistance crap. Most of the programmers I know have to work with data and once they see the simplicity of VFP they GET IT...
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>>It doesn't mean they will switch to the DARK SIDE but when new versions of their pet language is annouced they look for "LINQ" / VFP like data access.
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>>Anyway back to work....