Yes I was at devcon. I am pretty dissapointed in the features of the listbox 2. And also about the helpfile. Have you noticed that properties like picture[] are not described in the property list of the listbox at all ! Without the solution example there would have been no way for me to have figured that one out. I have been programming in Access 2.0 a few years ago, Access is not as good as VFP but the helpfile had everything in it, but that's where we have the UT for.