And lost no matter how logical your counter-argument. If A=B and B=C then C=whatever I say it is. Let me begin by defining what the measuring stick will be. Then I'll measure your views according to my rules and I will find you wanting. Then I will prove the validity of my technique by brandishing my measuring stick - ta-dah!

>It's a lost cause Tracy. His definition of 'natural' is simply this:
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It is what I believe according to my interpretation of the bible.
>Therefore, it is true and there can be no other truth.

>Whatever you argue or question, he will interpret the bible, no matter how tortured that interpretation might be, in a way that accords with his own pre-defined belief systems. It is the nature of blind faith based 'logic'.
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